Thread: What Can Schneider-Kreuznach do for the Sony NEX System?

Originally Posted by Dioptrick

I just did... and nearly fell off my chair, lol!

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I hope Schneider-Kreuznach doesn't have any plans to be as buoyant as Leica...

a very interesting conversation, but is out of my budget to pay 29 thousand bucks

The more one gets into photography, the more you learn to appreciate big sensors and fast lens. It seems to me that at one end, Sony is addressing the fast lens for a true compact in the RX100 (which may replace my much loved LX5). At the other end, many are
waiting for a full size sensor mirrorless camera (Canon???). In the meantime, crop sensor SLRs and 4/3 medium size cameras are filling in the middle ground. Anyone else share this viewpoint?

Originally Posted by lapdog99

The more one gets into photography, the more you learn to appreciate big sensors and fast lens. It seems to me that at one end, Sony is addressing the fast lens for a true compact in the RX100 (which may replace my much loved LX5). At the other end, many are
waiting for a full size sensor mirrorless camera (Canon???). In the meantime, crop sensor SLRs and 4/3 medium size cameras are filling in the middle ground. Anyone else share this viewpoint?

I guess a full frame mirrorless camera is not far away but not sure it'll be a Canon though. My guess is it'll be Sony as they already make the 36 megapixel sensor for the Nikon D800.

Originally Posted by lapdog99

At the other end, many are waiting for a full size sensor mirrorless camera (Canon???)...

That would be amazing! I wouldn't want to guess who would be the first to do it with DSLR-bodied mirrorless.

But imagine if the next SONY NEX body (NEX-8 ?) went full size sensor... the implications are huge!

All our SLR legacy lenses would be restored to their original and intended focal lengths - with no change in the current adapters we're now using (flange to film distance remains the same). The rear image being projected from our legacies are actually already large enough to cover a full sized sensor, mounted as they are.

However, this might create a dilemma for Sony as the E-series Lens Range we want expanded (topic of this thread) could vignette on a NEX body with a full sized sensor.

Third party lens manufacturers would hesitate even more to commit to the E-mount if there's even a speculative-whiff that Sony might go full sensor size for the NEX system.

Hi Dioptrick,
very interesting point you make about preserving the E-series lens range. However, Sony already make APS-C lenses as well as full frame so the situation would be similar. Also, if Canon or Nikon bring out a FF mirrorless camera then I'm sure Sony would try and compete!

On a positive note, I think the future looks bright for mirrorless cameras!
Cheers,
Paul

Originally Posted by Bolampau

Hi Dioptrick,
very interesting point you make about preserving the E-series lens range. However, Sony already make APS-C lenses as well as full frame so the situation would be similar. Also, if Canon or Nikon bring out a FF mirrorless camera then I'm sure Sony would try and compete!

Ah, yes of course...

Originally Posted by Bolampau

On a positive note, I think the future looks bright for mirrorless cameras!

Perhaps brighter than we might think...

Since the dawn of photography up to this point, lens design technology has been an accumulation of developments to efficiently project an image onto a 'flat' surface inside the camera (flat glass plates, then flat film emulsions, and now flat sensors). On SLRs and DSLRs of course this same flattened image is also reflected off a flat mirror onto a flat focusing surface just below the pentaprism of an OVF.

Much of the complexity in modern lenses are actually optical solutions to solve problems incurred when "flattening" the rear image projection. These problems include brightness or focus fall-off from the center to the edges, chromatic aberrations, image distortions (barrel, pin-cushion), etc. As more and more lens elements were added to attain a perfect optical solution, brightness and colour saturation is reduced each time so the optics had to be made bigger if keeping high speed and resolution is a factor. The aspherical lens element is possibly the pinnacle of this developmental era. Lens manufacturers advertise (justifiably) how many lens elements and groupings their lenses have in their brochures. The more elements there are of course, the better the lens... but that could be a thing of the past.

Since we are now viewing the lens image directly off the sensor in mirrorless cameras, one has to ask "why does a sensor have to be flat, like film?" Film had to be flat because it had to be advanced from frame to frame, whereas a sensor is stationary.

Now, imagine the implications to the way lenses are made - if Sony (or anyone for that matter) finally dared to utilize a parabolic sensor.

A parabolic sensor makes sense in a mirrorless system and would only require simple 'uncorrected' lens designs that are faster, smaller, lighter and cheaper to manufacture. A parabolic interface could very well produce images with very few optical flaws.

going to be a challenge getting those pixels arrayed, but an interesting thought

Originally Posted by Dioptrick

That would be amazing! I wouldn't want to guess who would be the first to do it with DSLR-bodied mirrorless.

But imagine if the next SONY NEX body (NEX-8 ?) went full size sensor... the implications are huge!

All our SLR legacy lenses would be restored to their original and intended focal lengths - with no change in the current adapters we're now using (flange to film distance remains the same). The rear image being projected from our legacies are actually already large enough to cover a full sized sensor, mounted as they are.

However, this might create a dilemma for Sony as the E-series Lens Range we want expanded (topic of this thread) could vignette on a NEX body with a full sized sensor.

Third party lens manufacturers would hesitate even more to commit to the E-mount if there's even a speculative-whiff that Sony might go full sensor size for the NEX system.

Originally Posted by lapdog99

going to be a challenge getting those pixels arrayed, but an interesting thought

would be very possible. Now with so much technology around us, and you do not know that will come out of camera manufacturers, relatively to the generation of the nex, several companies have more sophisticated cameras with mirrorless models , making them more compact with each passing day, with more pixels, and of course I think that according to demand,the prices are more affordable, like this phone Nokia PureView 808, in India. Nokia 808 PureView features a 41 megapixel image sensor that is aided by Carl Zeiss optics and Xenon flash. Bearing the f/2.8 aperture, the 41 megapixel camera promises to capture 7728x5354 resolution images in 16:9 formats along with full HD videos in 30 frames per second.

imagine the next ''nex camera'' with great full sensor,electronic viewfinder, 36 mp, equivalent highest resolution DSLR and with the same ISO performance in low light and the same size has the nex 7,but I think I'm dreaming a lot, but can be quite possible ...

Dioptrick: 50-gigapixel camera is straight out of science fiction - Future of Tech on msnbc.com

Now we just have to miniaturize.